crash predicted after election

8.5: news.cyb/pol/purges/reaganomics/
crash coming in after election:

. at coast to coast an astrologer Joni Patry
has predictions about this november;
she also predicted the japan erthquake in march 2011
and they were very thankful for the heads up .

. she says september is a high:
there will be a major crash in november;
when the election will be like Bush's
with much irate contention about the results .
[. how could that cause a crash?
# obama wins:
people wanting romney
will rage about unemployment endless
and taxes look relentless
this could cause the market to go into theatric lows .
# romney wins:
. people wanting obama
will see obamacare getting dismantled,
and there could be something like a 9-11
to greet a usa that is once again christian-headed . ]

says we should buy xmas gifts now
because the bottom falls out:

[ inflation will be substantial .
after the election?
if repubs won't increase taxes
then the auto-cuts kick in .]
. one thing hanging over our head
is that the EU bailout crisis is still not resolved;

. there will be a shift in banking tech:
tech not invented yet will replace all cash
(reminds of cc's going to smart cards
to beat the storm of overseas internet credit card fraud
but that tech has been invented already).
[. maybe she means some tech that allows
banking to be globally cashless .
eg, automated currency exchanges ? ]
. she seemed agreeable with idea that
banking tech might have the same effect
as wild inflation: cash becomes worthless
as if the governance and the monetary system
of the entire world was being replaced .
. that sort of catastrophy
would bring us all together .
. another way banking could change is that
after euro finally fails
riots would point back to what caused that:
usa banking practices .
. that would result in
either the world replacing usa as world currency
or the americans replacing their trading system
so that it no longer included derivatives .
. this will have a major impact on usa wealth
which affects military spending ability,
or implies a new depression
that causes much higher unemployment
among the financial class
(a huge part of usa economy
2nd only to medical industry ) ]
. another major banking system that could fail
is the food cycle:
. today's food is highly centralized:
big money and oil --> big food .
. so if the oil suddenly gets harder to get
or the monoculutre vulnerability
is attacked by a new disease,
then that system will go back into
localized organics .]

. concerning the mideast mess,
dictatorships will fall;
it will be harsh but bring us all together .
[. implies nuclear or biological armageddon
this might be more likely if
the repub's win the presidency
(something about christianoids
offending russians or islam
which then leads to a major conflict) .]

8.20:  co.apt/pol/obama/sensing a loss:

. this reminded me that after the election of
Bush the Christian,
that was when Anti-Zionist Islamics
took down the Towers and the Pentagon;
now it seems that 9-11 was a $billion plan
and that it was a long time in the making,
but what if it wasn't ?
so it seems like the astrologer thinks
the repub's are going to win,
and there is going to be a disaster in response to it;
[ and a really big disaster will do something that causes
an increase in the cost of something
by reducing the value of our cash ?
sounds like that could be cyberwar
suddenly able to print money
and that would cause inflation .
. I prefer Obama, but if Obama wins,
then congress will just be a Tea Party log jam
and more of the same [they don't get anything done]:
better to let them move us to smaller gov?
oh, but less regulation: and more cancer;
. those tea partiers are christianoids
who say your cancer was just god's will,
yea? [DISOWN] you!:
your low taxes did that!!
with no regulations on those [DISOWNING] capitalists .
but, that might have been a strawman argument:
the Tea Party mostly wants only to end welfare
(esp'ly the obamacare law)
and we could still have regs at the state level;
also, we're already soaking in cancer!
how could it get any worse ?
10.30: ... are you kidding?
it could still get a lot worse!,
and what about cross-state pollution drifting? ]

8.20:  pre-christmas credit card fraud:
. the theory about impending disaster,
where either money or the internet goes bad,
coincides with Anonymous' letter on Phrack
portraying hackers as liberals
and cracking secrets for political reasons .
. but what will they do in response to Obama winning?
he's liberal but he's also cracking down on
whistleblowers and wikileaks .
. however,
the november disaster warning also coincides with
a report that credit cards are changing soon:
you can bet there will be a flurry of crime
just before the change takes place;
so it's not really about the election
but about the pre-christmas shopping rush
that coincides with post-election season .
. everyone will be using simple-security cards
for the last time;
so, it's not that our money will be worth less
-- it will be worth more soon --
but we'll have to absorb the costs of
one last crime spree this christmas .

the next speaker on Coast to Coast:
James Howard Kunstler

. arizona and southern california are
part of the mexican dominated sun belt,
where at first the hispanics and english
will fight for dominance
 because due to lower regional wealth
it won't obviously belong to the english anymore;
but eventually they'll discover
it won't sustain either culture
as relocalization requires growing your own food,
and the mexican sunbelt
just doesn't have the water for it
-- it would be cheaper to migrate
than to invest in irrigation
(just as is the case now:
we virtually migrate by importing all our food).
[ we do have some cool greenhouses,
but when there is much less wealth,
greenhouses might be expensive to maintain
and then it's cheaper to migrate where
greenhousing is not needed
... but green houses are great
not just for conserving water,
but also for conserving heat
and protecting from insects,
-- if I was going to invest big money
I would stock up on greenhouses .]

. he doesn't think phoenix or tucson has
much of a future:
. he sneers at phoenix as being a great example of
something grotesquely oversized,
that is due for a downscaling soon,
but also mentions tucson as something too big
(eg, we are a university town
and there's no need for universities
when you have massive relocalization)

[ his bitter sneering of the name phoenix
reminds me the name phoenix means
bird rising from the ashes,
like the english
rising from an invaded mexican land
the phoenix is capital of
not just az but the cold war of
spanish hyperbreeding and
anglos making obnoxious racist laws .]

he likes the great lakes region
(usa's version of the mediteranean
-- nice weather to live if you
don't have electricity for AC,
and lots of beach-front property )
[ the great lakes seems too cold now,
but thanks to climate change it's warming up fast .
. not sure what to think of a land of a thousand lakes
when the mosquitoes get warmer;
we need to drain all that into an artificial aquifer .]
. he illustrates localization with story-telling
where superlocalization means living without
electricity, cars, and the internet;
he's writing such a novel for each of the 4 seasons .

. times of revolution or great change
involve a breakdown in ownership,
so there will be land-grabbing behaviors;
--[ esp'ly by hungry people who demand
some place to camp and grow food .]

. the host sneers about
the guest looking like a globalist
where in his case the global plan is to
stick everybody in these smaller towns .
. the guest finds that the usual complaint against him
is that he's a doomer (a doomsday prophet).
--[. from reading about globalism
you'd think this doomer was the opposite of a globalist;

so I think what the host meant was
the ulterior motive
of being a doomer to the americans
(who are very into living on cheap oil wealth,
and scoffing at calls to invest in solar tech)
is to basically join in the current american fight
between neoliberals and religious conservatives .
and the guest does happen to want
exactly what the neoliberal globalists want: ]
. the doomer pretends to be
uninterested in globalist agendas
but does endorse
one of their most invasive changes
(investing in solar-powered infrastructure)
and gloats over the bleak future of
those who ignore his warning
which is quite bitterly the same warning
as the neoliberal globalists
who exist in america as the godless Democrats
fighting the pro-lifer GOP
( GrandlyOverPopulating Armageddon nuts ).

[. he's another reminder of
war is the way we depopulate: ]
. we got through wwII just fine,
but, this time is different:
the next world war
will leave no place unbombed
so getting a high-tech industrial infrastructure back up
will be much harder than in wwII .
. back then,
mechanized war was devastating
but it happened only to europe;
so the entire usa still had an infrastructure
to grow from:
they could sell the world tools on credit,
and by using those tools to generate wealth
the world could repay their debts .
. next time
we may be doing it all from scratch .
[ ... no I misunderstood him:
he's assuming that nobody will prepare,
and when oil suddenly gets expensive
from being used by a
massively growing china-india region
the entire global money machine
will be shut down,
and we'll all have to go back to basics
just as if everywhere got bombed like wwII
-- that's how dependent our ongoing wealth is
on cheap oil .]

. down scaling will include all institutions:
gov's, corporations, universities
-- all these are getting localized .

. the first places to be hit by the
loss in wealth as oil gets expensive
will be the sun belt:
atlanta, orlando, dallas, ... basically all of the
wet part of the sun belt (dixieland)
and then in arizona & southern california
 (the mexican sunbelt)
there will be a latino-anglo conflict .
. the sunbelt is not easy to live in
without wealth for air conditioning .
so when the wealth dries up,
people get frustrated,
and that region has a culture of gun violence .
[ he notes elsewhere
(according to amazon reviews)
that whites in a peak-oil low-wealth world
will be much less tolerant of black crime .]

. if big gov's currency can't be trusted,
then history tells us that
the currency for street trading will be silver
and hoarded wealth will be done with gold .
. why precious metals?
we are in a situation where there is
no more profit from bonds or savings,
and as for stocks, the high frequency traders
are making it hard to put a value on capital .
. that makes gold seem to be
a safe place to maintain the value of one's wealth
-- esp'ly since it appears that
most of the available gold is found,
so its inflation potential is known to be small .
[. people say if it gets that bad
then you'll hoard food and guns not gold,
but in america one often has so much wealth
that one can plan for the far future
-- and that future is so uncertain,
we don't know what to buy;
we can't know if we'll have to migrate,
so we need tradables that are mobile .
. precious metals facilitate downscaling of gov:
the alternative to gold
is buying a currency from a gov you can trust,
so, if you can't trust any gov,
or can't afford to maintain any gov
then gold provides a currency without a gov .]

. he thinks japan will be the first to relocalize
because they were the last to get into
globalized capitalism,
but that has me wondering if he's being rhetorical:
. they get a lot of power from global trade,
and they need a lot of power
just to feed their overpopulation
and to keep china from overreaching
(as china becomes very large,
and stays large due to a having a fully solar infrastructure,
the sheer economic power they have
will make japan look like another taiwan ).

545: web: coast to coast's online info:

Host:     John B. Wells
Guests:     Joni Patry
In the first hour, professional astrologer Joni Patry
talked about Vedic astrology
and shared some of her predictions for the near future.
joni patry's galacticcenter.org

Guests:     James Howard Kunstler,

John B. Wells welcomed author and artist
James Howard Kunstler
Too Much Magic 2012 -- update of The Long Emergency,
who spoke about the dire problems we face,
the overly optimistic view that technology will save us
and his pessimistic view of the future.

James Howard Kunstler
graduated from the State University of New York, Brockport campus.
He worked as a reporter and feature writer
for a number of newspapers,
and finally as a staff writer for Rolling Stone Magazine.
He has lectured at Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Dartmouth, Cornell,
MIT, RPI, the University of Virginia and many other colleges,
and he has appeared before many professional organizations
such as the AIA, the APA, and the National Trust for Historic Preservation.
Mr. Kunstler is also the author of several books
and a regular contributor to the New York Times
Sunday Magazine and Op-Ed page,
where he has written on environmental
and economic issues.
His latest book,  The Long Emergency 2005
describes the changes that American society faces
in the 21st century.
Past Shows:
The Coming Energy Crisis Sunday May 8, 2005
Kunstler, the author of The Long Emergency, laid out what to expect,
now that we are on the brink of global peak oil production.
He predicted a long arc of depletion
that will cause great hardships to the American economy.

Suburbia, he declared, "is the greatest misallocation of resources
in the history of the world,"

and will be particularly hard hit because it
depends utterly on supplies of cheap oil.

Its destiny is to become "dysfunctional and devalued," he opined.
Yet large cities won't necessarily fare better
in an era of energy shortages, he noted.

The most successful places to live, he believes,
will be smaller towns and cities
that are in close proximity to local farms.

"The age of the 3,000 mile Caesar salad
is coming to an end," Kunstler quipped.

American society will be "compelled to reorganize itself"
focusing on localized efforts, he added.
National retail outlets like Wal-Mart
will hit the skids by the end of the decade

and regional areas dependent on cheap air conditioning
such as the Southwest will face severe troubles, he forecast.
Leadership in facing this upcoming crisis
is lacking, said Kunstler.

As a first step, he advocated for the restoration of
a passenger rail system in the US,
that would be akin to the efficient trains of Europe.
This would help to boost national morale
and get rid of the incentive to build
more urban sprawl, he argued.
    The Long Emergency 2005
    Too Much Magic 2012 -- update of The Long Emergency,
-- he plays dualing theatrics with koch-fundedBryce
1994 The-Geography-Nowhere-Americas-Landscape
1998 Home-Nowhere-Remaking-Everyday-Century
2001 City-Mind-Notes-Urban-Condition
2003 Maggie-Darling-Modern-Romance-ebook
2008 World-Made-Hand-Novel-ebook
2010 The-Witch-Hebron-World-Novel
2010 big slide
2011  An-Embarrassment-of-Riches-ebook
2011 with Richard Heinberg, Duncan Crary .

2008 ... he's blogging
eg, here's wondering what we expect of Obama:
The US economy is now dying a slow and painful death
because it had become based on activities that had
nothing to do with producing real wealth.
Instead, it became dependent on rackets,
that is, behavior geared to getting
something for nothing.
These rackets are often summarized under
the acronym FIRE (for finance, insurance and real estate),
a system set up to strip-mine profits from the
wish commonly labeled "the American Dream"
Here in the USA, where we have had
over two hundred years experience
with peaceful power transitions
-- even during the convulsions of 1860-65 --
the outcome this time might not be so appetizing.
It would be one of the supreme ironies of history
if it turned out that the US was incapable of
ending its most self-destructive rackets
peacefully and bloodlessly,
while the Russians shucked off its Soviet racket
like an old sweater.
The way I see it, Mr. Obama just
doesn't have much time
before his authority and legitimacy slough off
and he is left with only his genial smile.
The "hope" vested in him will end up in a
Museum of Lost Hopes,
along with the integrity of TV news
and the rectitude of the medical profession.
John B. Wells was the host,
he seemed annoyed with the doomer;
he accused him of being a globalist
(something dem's are seen as)
and when it was mentioned that
dixieland would devolve first because it was the more violent culture
he snarled "(what about chicago?!)
which has often been in the news
as Obama's hometown,
and was recently in the news as
the deadliest major city in the world .
(has the most murders)
but Kunstler was quick to remind us
of the question: what was the region
with the greatest [/]potential for conflict .
. John B. Wells is also hosting here;
and that page links to a show about the new currency:

cash is already worthless!:
Sweden's (nearly) cash-free economy.
While Sweden was the first European country
to introduce bank notes in 1661,
it’s now come farther than any other country
in the attempt to eradicate them.
. analog money replacing Cash and coins
gives rise to new concerns -- of cybersecurity
and, of course, about privacy .
The number of bank robberies in Sweden
has dropped from 110 in 2008
to 16 in 2011 .