fig-leafing our responsibility to children

1.13: relig/bible/genesis/privatization of parenting:
[1.21: . capitalists and communists are still arguing about
whether privatization of production is an evil,
yet they are both still making a mess,
and they both agree on the worst evil,
privatized reproduction(parenting):
it is the primary source of drug abuse, drug wars,
schizophrenia(mass rejection), and mass murder .]
. that realization
gave me this spin of the genesis story:
. god insists nothing should be private:
(genitals should remain in public view)
but after Adam's snake gave Eve
that first taste of fruiting
-- a harsh labor, and countless childhood emergencies --
they both decided it would be best if they
put all their troublesome differences out of sight .
. that, of course,
was the end of the first perfect garden .
. slavery is also a constant theme in the bible:
we have to put fig leaves between
the poor and the rich,
the mgt and labor,
your parenting style vs mine .
. the genesis author's god was right:
things should be specialized,
and things should not be private .
. secrets are not sure security,
but they are a sure source of power abuse .
. we should be able to inspect and have a say in
all things that can have an influence on us .
. I'm not saying that's an enforceable rule,
but it's where perfected technology is heading,
simply because that technology by definition
will make such per-module omniscience possible;
that is, it can enforce separate environments
and enable awareness of everything in
one's own environment .

free capitalist's original sin

3.6: pol/free capitalist/original sin:
. to the Free Capitalists, I'd like to joke:

"( original sin is real, my friend ) .

. how do we create value
when people are creating more people
than we can really value ?
. our assumptions about being able to
freely exchange
falls from not being able to control
pop'growth:
parents get value from children often only by
reducing value of the world around them:
owning children insures that
more of the world is loyal to you,
and often also insures
a better chance of being employed .
. even if we let capitalism operate freely,
this collective overgrowth of the labor force
means that many of them will choose crime
or will unfairly lower the value
of the entire labor force,
as their numbers increase the group's desperation
to the point of "(willing) slavery .
. this growing sea of more desperate slaves
are at greater risk of turning to crime
opportunistically .
. this is not just about
something looming in the future:
it was this discontent
with being the child of poverty
that drove Europeans to colonize other lands .
. there's nothing free about
any capitalism that doesn't
control population somehow
-- either by lottery, democracy, meritocracy,
or by waging wars --
to create new owners among fewer people .

3.7: pol/wealth of rations:
. wealth through pop'control
is what we're already doing:
it's the magic of land owner-ship
any excess labor can pile up in city soup lines
and the families that manage to stay wealthy
don't see any over pop' at all .

evolutionary advantage of overpopulating

10.14: pol/overpopulation/evolutionary advantage for the poor:

. not only are the poor losing more children to sickness,

they may also need to compensate for losses from

implied survival tactics of the culture .

. often the only way to spread genes of the poor

is to send out pioneers to invade areas already populated;

and, because this style of invasion is so dangerous,

it can only succeed when large numbers are involved .

drug war lost by early neglect

6.10: web.psy/childhood animal cruelty/prelude to Antisoc'PD

1: J Am Acad Psychiatry Law. 2002;30(2):257-65

Animal cruelty and psychiatric disorders.

Gleyzer R, Felthous AR, Holzer CE 3rd.

Western State Hospital, Tacoma, WA 98498-7213, USA. rgleyzer1@msn.com

. Animal cruelty in childhood, although generally viewed as

abnormal or deviant, for years was not considered

symptomatic of any particular psychiatric disorder.

Although animal cruelty is currently used as a

diagnostic criterion for conduct disorder,

research establishing the diagnostic significance of this behavior

is essentially nonexistent.

In the current study, investigators tested the hypothesis that

a history of substantial animal cruelty

is associated with a diagnosis of

antisocial personality disorder (APD)

and looked for associations with other disorders

commonly diagnosed in

a population of criminal defendants.

Forty-eight subjects, criminal defendants who had histories of

substantial animal cruelty,

were matched with defendants without this history.

Data were systematically obtained from the files

by using four specifically designed data retrieval outlines.

A history of animal cruelty during childhood

was significantly associated with

APD, antisocial personality traits,

and polysubstance abuse.

Mental retardation, psychotic disorders, and alcohol abuse

showed no such association.

prodigal parenting

9.10: relig/prodigal parenting:

. origin of "(prodigal):

Latin`prodigus: lavish .

Latin`prodigiosus; prodigium: portent (see prodigy ).

Latin`portentum: omen, token; portendere.verb (see portend ).

Latin`portendere; pro-: forth + tendere: stretch.

. the industrial parents both worked in a factory;

they wanted to earn all the things that factories can provide!

. what pay is there in parenting?

we want our pay now!

. thus, the industrials would let their children run wild,

having them watched by the ambitionless,

rather than engaged by the tutors .

. then when it came time for the children to watch the elders;

many of them just didn't get it .

. the prodigal parents came begging to society:

will you build more prisons for my feral children ?

. more institutions for my elders ?

. oh Lord, Jesus Christ,

nothing is more precious than these children .

. as part of the huge pork bar-b-q

to welcome back the industrial family,

they had a team of psychologists look into

what happened to the children:

. it wasn't just that they didn't want to work;

without a history of sociability and performance,

no one trusted them to work .

. those few who would hire them were wolves,

saying:

"(

. we don't have the money to do this job safely,

thank goodness, the industrials are expendable .

. every day our technologies are replacing more jobs,

and yet they keep having more ferals .

. there are so many of the poor, untrusted ones;

all we need is a few friends to work with .

. if only there were too few workers

the working conditions would certainly improve then:

it would be a worker's market then .

) .

. [12.21: ever since ? wars have always propped up economic systems:

[/][even with] industrial times,]

they used wars to prop up their economy:

"(

. there's just no work for the industrials;

but we do have a war [12.21: to win;

for the ferals are desperate,

and it's a good time to fight ... in mYour backyard .]

) .

8.8: co.apt/pol/jobs lost:

. imagine this is a thousand years ago;

you see we are such nothing,

struggling with service jobs, not sure of our fate .

. our forefathers' knowledge lost to

a trust that the industrials will employ us .

8.13: rn.pol/walmart revolution unsustainable:

. Walmart's revolution is considered unsustainable

because it relies too much on lowering wages

while many things needed by those earners

can't be sold by low cost walmart;

so their employees get cheated for the good of the others .

. their main money-saving was not stopping shoplifters,

but rather transforming the distribution system

by which goods are taken from various producers

and given to particular consumer outlets .

. many jobbers and other middlemen were eliminated .

8.19: co.apt/pol/what they mean by family values:

. look how the wars stopped chewing on the extra population;

now they check over-pop' by making laws about no car-camping, etc,

there's no place safe to go unless you have a submarine .

. if you don't have a sure job or a family to bunk with,

you're in big trouble .

10.9: pol/reasons for incarceration in usa and russia?:

. what russia and usa have in common in order to be

by far the largest incarcerators

is having a system that disrupts

local communities as law enforcers

by obviating the need for local support

either by having support doled out by the welfare state

or by the promise of new jobs around the corner .

co.apt/pol/platitudes for a delusional constituency:

. obama is sneered at for giving white-lie platitudes?

he has to give platitudes,

because his main constituency (the poor)

doesn't want to hear about being reasonable

(and letting the rich have the kids) .

. in fact, the poor -- to which is speaking mostly to --

have actually taken the nuclear option,

deciding to deliberately use over-population

to build their democratic power by brute numbers

(even if it means crying for virtual communism or abusing their kids) .

10.23: co.apt/pol/pop-controller should be saved wealth:

. co.pol/rn"neil.bortz

has berated an uneducated construction worker

for having 4 kids when money good

but job can't last in hard times?

. in fact, you shouldn't depend on education either!

. women should trust neither income nor edu'

but in savings:

find the older man who's done being a shark

with time to father ...

[12.29: at least if communal parenting is not an option .]

10.28: co.apt/pol/the good points among the economic classes:

. where I agree with the wealthy class

is that you can't have a welfare state

without also mandating a democratic control of reproduction

to put some limit on

how many people we need to find jobs or lunches for .

. however,

one pro-labor move I'd insist on

is keeping the wealthy from taking our jobs

-- and what liars:

Bush was regurgatating their blue pill:

"( greencarders take only those jobs

that americans don't want )

. actually the employers don't advertize those jobs

because they are already hooked up with greencarders

who cost them much less to employ by not being citizens

so that they pay no {unempl, ss, medicare } taxes

as they would for employing citizens .

11.7: pol/real economic growth:

. so much of a "(healthy growing economy) is just such fluff;

making so much junk is what causes

such shifts in buying patterns

as to cause upwards of 25% unemployment .

. if depending on capitalism

then market corrections are inevitably going to create

the same feast-famine cycles

we take as so much bible-old .

. what family values really need to be

is home class values:

. just as a successful business has a mix of products

for selling in both boom and bust,

home communes are based on farms

with back to farm for bad times .

. instead of owning your home,

you do have stock in a farm,

and if there are no vacancies in farmable communes,

you call that situation an overpopulation problem .

11.18: co.net/twitter/pol/UN Climate Petition:

#pol Sign the UN Climate Petition |

real hope is population reduction

http://hopenhagen.org

11.21: pol/making smooth transition to the age of automation:

. use gov funds to buy stock in labor saving tech

so even as jobs are being reduced,

incomes are being increased

and acting a 2nd source of income to fall back on

for those who lose jobs to robots .

. then, use taxes and bonuses of this money to reduce population;

ie, everyone gets a check for being a stock owner,

but people with more kids get a smaller check .

11.26: co.apt/pol/communes for traffic reduction:

. if we lived in communes like the tv.show" the walton's

-- seems unamerican doesn't it? --

then we could have groups conserve on driving

by specialize a few members as shared drivers

to reduce the need to give licenses to people on meds .

[and reduce traffic generally ] .

11.26: co.self/pol/overpopulation inflates rents:

. caring for the disabled and other unemployed's

would not be so costly if family values were stronger

such that it was taboo not to invite unemployed relative to share housing .

. we could then reduce pay-outs

to just a person's grocery needs (food stamps) .

. the $800 size typical of today's rents

is not due to the actual costs of maintaining the property

but a sheer function of market demand:

. capitalists are getting what they can from the market

asking not what it costs for me to be mgt,

but how much more can I get from the market after evicting you .

. that's why the soviet's major act was evicting landowners;

most were using their property to charge rent

for housing the state's people [and their productions]

[. likely a few rich owned all the land,

not like the american dream where the realty lots are so tiny

that one owner is mgt for one rental unit .]

12.30: pol/prodigal walmart:

. walmart is sustainable if they

let employees do dry docking in their parking lot

(as they are often graciously allowing rv'ing customers) .

. free rent like that

is removing half the inflation gouge in usa .

. walmart may still have a problem with forced overtime,

...

and they could have a problem with local authorities:

our idea of a living wage (if not a family wage)

does not include letting people camp in public! .

communism green and democratic

7.5:

. we should do with jobs

what they plan for health care:

you can have private ownership of business,

but there should be some full job insurance

a sort of communism where taxes are used for

buying stable businesses,

esp'ly job-heavy businesses or automation for creating essentials,

so that everyone can say they own

part of the american money machine .

. when population gets high, then product gets thin,

and so one of the essentials of a gov'

is determining how much a given place can produce,

and not allowing a place's population to exceed its limit .

how?!

. democracy can decide who can be parents;

and, parenting-coops share the caring of children

both to share in the joys of raising children,

and ensure against the neglect and abuse

found in private parenting .

. our pay-differentials could be based primarily on

cooperating with democratic parent selection .

. payments from gov to a coop could depend on

how well their pop'control program is going .

. there may also be more pay for

those places accepting immigrants

-- esp'ly when accepting the overflow of

children and their primaries,

from places where democracy dictates a popularity of gene pool

that can't fit within its origin .

7.7: rn.pol/child care/getting into inlaws:

. a radio show about being virtually -- and unexpectedly --

married to inlaws, appeared at first to be proof that

extended families don't work;

in fact,

this was merely proof that 2-parent families don't work:

keep chanting this:

"(

. I'm not your child, I'm the future's adult,

and I deserve the very best parenting science can find .

) .

. with that in mind then,

the way to communalize parenting

is to find whatever folks you can live with,

and share your children with them .

. if you can't get along with any group,

there should be no way you are caring for kids alone .

7.19: free-repro's give wealthy class a bad name

. the rich [as framed by communist dogma]

are really the product of our ignoring

regulation of reproduction:

"(rich) is really code for the attitude of being

free of controls over reproduction (free-repro's);

the attitude of:

. go ahead and reproduce all you want,

think you're chosen because people pity your children?

you're chosen when you command the money to

command even more money:

the free-repro's sent the middle class migrating to america,

the free-repro's merges the small biz's into large biz's

and the free-repro's wonder why even in free america,

the free-repro's are losing their jobs

and being sent to war against that

other free-repro's flavor: communism .

8.22: co.relig/crying about workaholics? why all be family raiser?:

. workaholics are not a problem;

what is a problem is glossing over the fact that

not everybody is going to be a perfect parent !

. communal parenting insures that children aren't stuck

home alone with workaholics .

8.4: fam/pol/society better off parent cooping:

. [someone] recalls the israeli communes were eventually failures,

and parental cooping may be impossible?

well atleast there should be robotic monitoring

(artificial intelligence manning the children's security cameras)

. my main point is that I'm not saying neglect is the parents fault

-- when parents fail and burn their own kids on a regular basis

(hundreds of thousands every year),

then it's time for society to stop being insane,

and realize they are burning us

-- we were all kids at one time .

9.24: rel/communal parenting

. the very fact that only a few parents are incompetent

lulls us into the belief that

"(practically) all parents are competent .

. every year, we uncover thousands of child abuse cases;

and, if our society would admit that this is simply not acceptable,

then they would see the only practically safe parenting

is when we communalize it,

-- eg, by mandating membership in a parenting coop --

to cover for those over-worked parents,

and to also allow parents to watch each other parenting

-- not because we don't trust ourselves --

but because we admit there's no way to tell

who we can't trust .

. I'm all for robots taking all our grunt work,

and for women taking all the mgt jobs:

it's not women's place to stay at home;

but neither is it children's place

to be entrusted to a single- or double-parent homesite .

9.29: relig/christian/communal parenting:

. the new testament noted that

the poor cannot commune with the rich,

which I had sneered was their basis for "(family values);

ie, parents owning their children .

. in fact,

it merely means what you see today:

. birds of a feather flock to the same neighborhoods,

and go to the same churches;

it's been one of the strongest forces in pushing suburban sprawl:

providing the ability for the rich

to avoid being near the poor .

. indeed,

there are plenty of people you might church with

and yet not commune with!

. your commune is your family,

the people who are like those you'd prefer to bed with:

this can entail all sorts of discrimination besides wealth:

race, relig, education, moral codes, ... .

[12.21:

. my thoughts on this seem confused to me now .

. assuming that I recall the story correctly,

JC's disciples thought it communalism was right neighborly,

but in the process of presuming to share the same values

they found that the rich and poor were still clashing .

. being rich might have meant be a saver

(the truth will keep us floating in flood and famine)

whereas,

being poor might have meant being an evangelist

(the truth will multiply

-- even when it's not so fruitful) .

]