evidence JC didn't die on the cross

4.30: co.g'+/relig/christianity/the swoon theory:

Jon Stewart's usa gov and christians:
Justin Bale 12:56 PM 

"(the american gov has the same approach to
reading the constitution
that christians have to reading the bible)
-- jon stewart

co.g'+#Kelline Pickett: 7:40 PM:

+MAZE RAGE
earlier in this stream I commented on
what my view of this post
about Jon Stewart sounds like to me.
I will comment again for you.
He's making a comparison statement
of the American Government to all Christians.
That can be considered a matter of his opinion.
However, his statement is based on an assumption
that all Christians don't read their Bibles.
To make an assumption like this,
one would have to know every single Christian personally. 

Philip Torrance Apr 28, 2012

"( the american gov has the same approach
to reading the constitution
that christians have to reading the bible )
. I don't think you have to know any christians
to make that statement;
if you just listen to what anyone in christianity
is supposed to believe,
you know they are pretty selective
in their reading of the bible .
. a careful reading of the bible
should convince one that Christ didn't even die,
let alone get raised from the dead;
meanwhile, a christian is defined as
one who believes Christ rose from the dead;
therefore, a "christian" must be
one who is not reading their bible .

+1 your comment by Vladimir Sumarov.

ℛichard Mead Apr 28, 2012

Oh that definitely piqued my curiosity, +Philip Torrance
- would you be so kind as to give some supporting detail
showing how the Bible has convinced you that
Christ didn't die, and didn't rise?

Caleb GriffithsYesterday 4:19 AM

+Philip Torrance
well you have obviously never read the bible.
That was the stupidest thing I've read so far.
Coming from someone who has
read it cover to cover over a dozen times.
4:23 AM
Just because someone reads the bible occasionally
does not make them a Christian.
Just like going to McDonalds occasionally
does not make you fat.
You have to live it or it does nothing.

Philip Torrance:

+Caleb GriffithsYesterday 4:19 AM, 4:23 AM
. well, we don't really know how stupid I was
until I give you the biblical quotes,
and explain how I interpreted them .
. you can read the bible hundreds of times,
and of course really live it,
but if you don't have a justifiable interpretation
you are just living in a dream .

+ℛichard Mead Apr 28, 2012
some supporting detail showing how the Bible
has convinced me that Christ didn't die,
and didn't rise:

Jesus was crucified at nine in the morning,
and died at three in the afternoon,
or just six hours after the crucifixion.
Pilate was surprised to hear that
Jesus had died so soon (Mk 15:44).
The average time of suffering before death by crucifixion
is stated to be about 2-4 days,
and there were reported cases
where the victims lived for as long as 9 days.
The body is taken down from the cross and immediately
handed over to a close disciple (Joseph of Arimathea),
who transports Jesus' body to a
close-by roomy secure burial chamber.

. in that same chapter, the context is:

42 And when it was evening,
because it was the time of getting ready,
that is, the day before the Sabbath,
43 There came Joseph of Arimathaea,
a responsible man in high honour,
who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God;
and he went in to Pilate without fear,
and made a request for the body of Jesus.
44 And Pilate was surprised that he was dead;
and, sending for the captain,
he put a question to see if he had been dead for long.
45 And when he had news of it from the captain,
he let Joseph have the body.

. my interpretation, but not my original idea,
is that something to do with Jewish custom
precluded letting the crucified labor on the Sabbath,
and a very wealthy Jew simply bribed the captain,
to put the body to rest before the sabbath .

. perhaps the captain did not need to be bribed;
did he not stab jesus
in an attempt to ensure his death?
I understand that the routine for that occasion
was to hack the legs until they were broken .
. whether hacking was a routine or not,
many people have survived stab wounds .
. of course, since it's likely he never died,
there's no reason then
to assume he had risen from the dead
except by concerned "witnesses"
who wanted to keep him hidden .

what it means to believe in the devil

4.20: relig/christian/what it means to believe in the devil:
Penn Jillette said:

"( . people often confuse athiests with satanists,
but, christians are closer to being satanists,
because athiests don't even believe in satan,
while some christians believe they are satan !).

. earlier today[4.20] I heard a psychologist say
(about race relations):

"( until you can admit you have a problem,
the problem can't ever go away ).

. any christians who say they are satan
must be referring to the fact that
it's much easier to be fooled by the devil when
you don't believe it has influence over you .
. if you know it is there, you search:
"( gee, this idea seems to have such good intentions,
but you know HE'll is paved with good intentions!
how am I being used even now? ).

the choking game

4.16: psy/the choking game:
. the news recently said that kids are dying from
losing at playing the choking game;
. as kids, we had a game of hyperventilating
and then holding our breath
while getting another to squeeze us until we felt limp;
that would cause intense dreams on demand .
. later in life I discovered by myself,
something like the choking game, but safer:
with just 2 fingers, you can, by tilting your head back,
find all the arteries in your neck
and completely cut off your brain's oxygen .
. when you do that, getting near passing out
is extremely relaxing .
. it even works while standing or walking
always without falling down, let alone dying!
. I would do that often when obsessed with negativity,
and I wondered if head-banging behaviour
might also be for avoiding negative thoughts;
but I think in their case it was that
the same conditions that cause mental slowness
also create insulin resistance and restlessness
that can be relieved by direct brain stimulation .

plastic first praised as indestructable abused_as_disposable

4.30: news.pol/trash/
plastic praised as indestructable abused as disposable:
. it was said on Fresh Air, that an LA suburb
has a problem with gulls showering them with dump waste .
. when the dump was first started,
there were no houses in the area;
but the dump has grown that much?
perhaps they can't believe that suburban sprawl
would try to compete with dump space .

news:
. the Puente Hills landfill near Los Angeles,
has so much trash
that its natural gas emissions can generate
enough electricity to power 70,000 homes,"
. the author of Garbology stated that
methane gas is not very efficient;
the way to get energy from garbage
is to burn it
using europe's new stack scrubbers;
but the old scrubbers are so notorious
that nobody in the usa trusts them any more .
. plus we found other ways to unload it:
the chinese will recycle our paper
but this very inefficient too because
they are using fuel to ship tons of garbage to china
and then ship tons of paper products right back .
. Terry Gross was perplexed, and quipped:
"( if everyone is happy,
what is there to this Garbology book?!),

. I thought most of this was just another
side attack of the overpopulation issue
but I was truly impressed when it was pointed out
that plastic was originally praised as the
make-anything substance that would last forever,
and then it's most common use becomes
one-night-stand tossable containers!

. the plastic never really decomposes either,
it simply gets smaller (and absorbing more toxins)
until it is eaten by marine life .

think wild alaskan salmon is safe?

5.19: web.health/omega-3/wild salmon:
. in the industries own research
they are happy to give numbers
until the issue of dioxins and pcb's comes up,
for these xenoestrogenic carcinogens,
they claim there is no proof of a problem!
. xenoestrogens are tricky to prove
because such endocrine disruptors
cause cancer in subtle ways,
not seen except in the overall high level
of unexplained cancers .
. and the smallest doses of endocrine disruptors like dioxin
are the worst offenders when it comes to causing cancers .

. wild salmon often has double the dioxin levels of
molecularly distilled fish oil, and {4 .. 8} times the pcb's .
. EPA* suggests limiting alaskan wild salmon to
2..5 meals per month (depending on the species)
-- which is not a lot of omega-3 .
*: [Fig. 5. Consumption advisories (in meals per month)
based on USEPA cumulative carcinogenic risk assessment methods
for total DDT, dieldrin, total chlordane, heptachlor epoxide, lindane,
hexachlorobenzene, toxaphene, PCBs, and dioxins/furans
for farmed salmon (red), wild salmon (green), ... ]

. if you want the guaranteed purest fishoil,
make sure it's 3rd-party tested for dioxins .
. the testing used by most pure brands (ifosprogram.com)
has PCB Levels Less Than 50% of CRN Standard
and Dioxin and Furan Levels Less Than 50% of WHO Standard .
. here's the test limits
and lef.org's fish oil recent test results:
-- ppb = parts per billion(nano) --
-- ppt = parts per trillion(pico) --pcb = 0.2226 ppb < 45 ppb
dioxins and furans = 0.739 ppt < 1 ppt
dioxin-like pcb's = 0.081 < 3/2 ppt
heavy metals are also tested:
each of lead, mercury, arsenic, cadmium < 0.1ppm .

dioxins & furans in wild salmon are 0.2 ... 2 pg/g*
*:[p = pico = 1/trillionth = ppt]
Total PCB's in wild Alaskan are 3.9 - 8.1 ng/g .

smart drugs summary

Picamilon is said to be a nootropic (smart drug)
but the only truth to that I found was that
standard smart drugs (stimulants) make you anxious
and Picamilon was good at relieving
very high levels of anxiety .

. dopamine enhancers are nootropic:
Mucuna pruriens, 40% L-Dopa. 75 grams powder.
Yohimbe, 8% Yohimbine! Powder, 40 Grams .

. bht can help with sleep, always a smart idea;
but don't forget your vitamin k supp's;
because, bht deactivates your vitamin k,
and that can melt your bones, and calcify your arteries .
. see also my amazon list of performance enhancers .

evidence miracles are a political stunt

4.20: relig/jc/evidence miracles are a political stunt:
. notice Jesus Christ's peers, the other rabbis,
didn't take his miracles seriously?
they were eyewitnesses at the time,
yet their response was sarcastic:
accusing him of working too hard on the lord's day of rest .
. this disbelief by high-ranking witnesses
lends weight to the theory that
JC's miraculous cures were actually a political stunt
for spotlighting that most of these "(lame) beggars
were only faking physical disabilities
because the disabilities they actually did have
were caused by being unlovable social outcasts
due either to mental illness, sexual orientation issues,
or other behaviors resulting in a bad reputation .

duelers allowed to Stand Their Ground? #Trayvon

5.17: look how beat up he looks!
. I can't believe the media is
still ignoring the obvious:
if you maliciously provoke an attack
by following a guy in the dark,
filling him with fear,
and then popping off with "(what are doing here?!)
when you're not even the police;
you better not get close enough
for a punch in the nose!
. this was a good case for Stand Your Ground
but unfortunately,
Trayvon didn't have a gun, Mr.Zimmerman!
 

4.16: pol/purges/trayvon/
profiling is hardly the main issue:
. on the diane rheme show,
it was argued that Trayvon's treatment
involved profiling ?
but it was far worse than that!
now, granted, profiling is an invasion of
constitutionally protected privacy,
but Trayvon's case was a horrific instance of
vigilantism by random peer punishment
-- a form of premeditated murder!
. just profiling is not murder
if you don't mix it with Stand Your Ground
in the Middle of the Public Grounds lunacy!

4.20: pol/purges/Trayvon/
standing your ground law encourages dueling:
. the problem with stand your ground
if you're trying to defend Zimmerman with it,
is that the same law was
also defending Trayvon's response:
. don't take "(what are you doing here)
from a stranger in the night;
stand your ground, Trayvon!
. and as Trayvon stood his ground,
he finds a hole in this law:
. when we take the law into our own hands,
we sometimes find the criminal can out-gun us !
. poor, Trayvon, live & learn, my friend;
but at least you tried to stand your ground,
we'll remember you were proud,
a true american .
. anyway, you can see from this,
that the law as it now stands
is actually promoting armed duels in the street !
(back in the day,
the duel was the way 2 men resolved high-stakes disputes:
they would agree on walking away from eachother,
and on a certain count, both would turn around
to shoot their opponent ).
. the quickest draw wins, Trayvon .