duelling romney - obama funnies

5.3: sci.pol/obama/
romney can win because he's sarcasm:
. romney can win because he's sarcasm:
"( proud capitalism is canibalizing your job ),
and people will then feel silly being jealous of 1% image .

5.4: pos.pol/obama/
romney has a chance with delegates voting:
. now I'm sure romney is electable because
the group he's making his case to is not us
but the delegates .

5.7: co.apt/obama/controling us with czars!:
. obama is controling us with czars!
that's what dem's always do, they invented the first czar,
for the drug war;
but also the alcohol prohibition, ... who did that?
the women, when they got to vote,
** it got right there in the constitution **
-- talk about a super czar .

5.8:  co.apt/pol/obama/from the socialists, with love:
. recall someone recently saying
that usa youth on the euro tourist circuit
were feeling a lot more loved at europe's hostels
after it was seen that usa had voted for Obama .
. but love can be tough:
the amsterdam coffee shops
no longer cater to foreign tourists,
they're only to keep local youth off the street .
6.23: web:
(23% of tourists visited those coffeeshops).

5.9: web.pol/obama/obama's real father:

. real father rumors are hitting the fan;
is this why he's out for gay marriage now?
. the story I got from the radio was that
obama's real father, Frank,
and a friend, the kenyan, agreed to agree
for some reason,
that the kenyan would say he was the father,
perhaps so he could have access to
usa as married to citizen ?
he never said, or I was radio surfing elsewhere .
...
frank was married with many children
and was struggling to maintain that marriage,
so perhaps this move was part of that struggle .

Birtherism 2.0: Obama’s ‘Real’ Father
April 30, 2012 at 11:04 am Ed Brayton

. taking birtherism to a new level,
in “Dreams from My Real Father:
A Story of Reds and Deception ”
(see trailer, and intro)
Joel Gilbert is arguing that
not only wasn’t Obama born in the USA
but that Barack Obama Sr.
isn’t even his real father.
And who is his real father? A communist!
Gilbert rejects the official story
that the Kenyan-born Barack Obama
was the president’s father.
Instead, he argues, Frank Marshall Davis,
the radical poet and journalist
who was a card-carrying member
of the Communist Party USA,
was the real, biological -- and ideological --
father of Barack Obama.

the real father is Frank Marshall Davis?

Jerome Corsi's The Obama Nation
claims that Davis was a political influence on Obama .
A rebuttal released by Obama's presidential campaign,
titled Unfit for Publication,
confirmed that "Frank" was Frank Marshall Davis,
but disputes claims about the nature of their relationship.

5.11: co.apt/pol/obama/romney is funny:
. funny story to find romney forcing a haircut;
you'd think they'd use an eagle scout ...
as if my audience:

. phil, that is an eagle scout:
you find a long-hair, you cut his hair off!

as self:

. just saying, you'd think they'd find a match who
wouldn't squawk underneath the presidential lights !

5.22: co.apt/pol/obama/
it worked for colin powell:
. Colin Powell's new book is
"(it worked for me);
suppose that was about
him looking like Obama?
. Powell was the one
who was asked to say:
"( there's weapons of mass destruction
-- just kidding! ).
. Obama was told to say these kiddings:
"( g'tmo is closing down,
israel will be told no more wars for
defending arrogant settlers ).

redistribute wealth only for population reductions

[6.21: summary:
. after watching both lib's and conservatives
creating wildly delusional videos on youtube,
I debated several other viewers
about whether the real issue was
socialism had been a proven failure
or we had never tried what works:
there can be no wealth or security
without state control of population size .]

5.11: co.youtube/pol/purges/reaganomics/
socialism is a proven failure:
The Critique of the Crisis of Capitalism Critique
by HowTheWorldWorks

#pol mentals and weiners and savages, oh my!

glenn beck -- may he be confined to hate radio

4.8: news.pol/glenn beck radio's word on religion:

"(... anyone else living under the illusion of
a true Democratic Party
-- what are you smoking?
The Democrats don't exist anymore.
They were eaten by the progressives --
the labor unions, the communists, the radicals,
the globalists, George Soros -- yes ...)
-- Glenn Beck 2010 may 12

. Glenn Beck is big on anti-communism
and reminding us what a destructive mess
the fed's made of the south .
. today, and on Beck's show today,[4.8]
liberals are synonymous with totalitarian communism;
(they are both about freeing the labor class
at the expense of capitalists
-- and even the middle class);

. the 1800's civil war fed's can be thought of as
being the first communists here in usa;
because, the crux of communism is
labor rights vs capital owner's rights;
and, in the 1800's southern usa,
slavery and land was the primary capital;
however,
slavery was hardly a liberal vs conservative issue,
since the northern christians were conserving
evangelical christian values,
and defending usa`honor against attacks on
the sincerity of "(all men are created equal)
after rebelling against slave drivers
only to make a mint promoting slavery .

. the religion that southerners were conserving
was certainly the more popular one:
straight out of the roman empire,
should any one think it ever declined
-- human trafficking thrives to this day
and will continue as long as we support
privacy as an inalienable right .
praise be to the feds:
. still, you have to agree
that the fed's made a mess of the south;
we were fine splitting up once (with britain),
never again?
the least we could have done was
give the ex-slaves their own western reservations;
perhaps the trick to being a good capitalist
is making sure the competition is not ?

. speaking of reservations,
Glenn Beck must agree the feds can be useful
at least any time your religion needs to
keep some Jews in Palestine; [christian zionism]
here again, anyone with any religion at all,
would suggest the jews should accept a usa reservation,
otherwise,
they are sure to start the next world war,
just as the Nazi's hoped for
when they allowed their Jews to leave only if they
moved to {Palestine, Zion, Israel} .
. Hitler called Zionism "a great movement";
in fact,
it was his acquaintance with Zionism
that coalesced his view that
one cannot be both a German and a Jew;
Hitler's book, Mein Kampf, had also claimed
"(the world's twin evils) are
--[evil# from below:
too little competition]-- Communism
--[evil# from beside:
too much competition]-- Judaism.

. Hitler's Zionism obviously differs from Glenn's
if only because Glenn is quite tolerant of Jews;
nevertheless,
when the bible's G-D gives a prophesy like
"(you'll eat this fruit I warned you about
and then start dying)
do you really think this is a good time to
praise the power of prophesy
and eat the fruit from that tree?
likewise,
when G-D is whispering that bad things
will happen in Palestine,
believers might want to start thinking about
what they can do to make other places
more inviting .
[4.9:
. usa's Bureau of Land Management (BLM)
has 245 million surface acres,
-- 13 percent of the total usa land surface
and more than 40 % of all fed land .
. in order to replace Israel,
you need:
. 20,700 sq.km (5 million acres),
which hopefully includes
445 sq.km (172 sq mi) of inland water,
and some coastline (Israel boasts 273 km of that).]
breaking news from American Jews:
. over 10,000 petitioned Fox News
to fire Beck last fall,
and it recently happened [4.6] .

. as Glenn Beck was selling his newsletter, [4.8]
he said curiously:

"(I'm a capitalist;
I'm not asking for a handout).

--[4.9: . my first fallacious impulse, unfortunately,
was to brand him as a slaver proponent
(a whip-cracker asking for handouts)
when, in fact, he's only
objected to the way fed's handled the slavers .
. then again,
when are good capitalists not slavers?
well, when they're good eno' to automate
(or in Glenn's case, be self-employed);
really,
between the stampede of free parents
just dropping us off
-- with our very numbers and desperation
so devaluing our worth as a human resource
that we set our wages at "(under the table) --
and Free Capitalists automating away jobs,
capitalists are getting handouts
whether they accept them or not !]
Arguing with Idiots: How to Stop Small Minds and Big Government

obamacare vs naturopaths

1.20: news.health/obamacare vs naturopaths:
. what did I think about the first time dr.mercola
said obamacare was a disaster?
here is another naturopath saying the same thing .
NaturalNews.com`Mike Adams December 14, 2010
U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson ruled
that Obama's "minimum essential coverage provision,"
violates the US Constitution.

. the details according to bloomberg.com
are that it's ok to fed'ly mandate
that insur' co's have to be fair,
but it's not ok to mandate
that everyone must buy a policy;
yet the only way insur co's could be fair
is when the insur is manditory .

. to understand this decision,
keep in mind that the legal system
doesn't have to find a good health plan,
they simply have to point out
what's illegal about the one you have .

. but that same argument about forced product
would also be good for any fed service,
since there is no practical diff'tween
a tax for service,
and a law for requiring payment for a service .
for example:
. I should not be forced to buy
a military aggression activity
just because the current congress wills it;
the constitution should mandate
that the decision to go to wars
belongs also to the military units of each state,
not just the rep's of each state and district .
. it would be like a 3rd congressional filter:
house, senate, labor
-- ah, now . let freedom ring .
. only 3 towns want to fight for this war,
is that all you'll need ? .
. the minimum duty is that you have to defend
invaded property, and after an invasion,
preemptives may be required;
but, that would specifically exclude
domino theories and terrorisms .

. if the courts were thinking wholistically
instead of just catering to obstructionists,
they would have talked instead about
what a reasonable min'insurance would be
along the lines of:
# practicality:
. while there are many people
who would not want to undergo or fund
treatments for cancer, gluttony, or sexual promiscuity,
who wouldn't want good care for trauma accidents?
# fairness:
. if you're thinking insur' should not be mandated,
who should pay taxes for your medicaid?

. I would think a reasonable fed min would be
all things with a good prognosis:
that would include most childcare
and would exclude most degenerative diseases,
except for pain control and hospice care .

. other objectors pointed out that
car insurance is state-controled,
so there's no reason health insur' couldn't be;
[1.29: great!
. that goes well with plans for relocalization;
other states may be as weird as foreign countries;
but, hey, your job stays in your state,
so, you never have to worry about
treatment by foreigners .]

. from the reaction of these naturopaths
I'm getting that they have been
excluded from being paid by the min'care system;
but how can that be?
I thought the big grassroots resistance to obamacare
(by the very middle class who would most benefit)
was having to pay to put up with naturopathic's
telling them what to eat, and other invasions
designed to avoid treatment:
"( oh, I'm high blood pressure so I should
meditate and eat my vegetables?! ).

. doctors were going to get paid per
healthy outcome not per procedure
-- this is where naturopathics shine!

. if all they wanted to do was save money
why didn't fed's just apply the same
naturopathic preventive invasions
to the medicaid customers ? .
. there is no need to treat anyone obese
for anything involving diabetes
-- that alone would flush $billions .
[1.29: well,
one reason they can't do that completely
is the very terms for medicaid eligibility;
you can't see a doctor for preventive consultation
until your lifestyle has eaten your wallet;
and, for most people,
that means decades of smoking, ignoring job safety reg's,
finding money to be entertained on the couch
by replacing fresh food with
mass producable non-perishables,
and engaging in strange religious sacrifices
like deep fat frying,
and unprotected promiscuous sex .]

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No-DeathPanels Pride.ware [obs]

fig-leafing our responsibility to children

1.13: relig/bible/genesis/privatization of parenting:
[1.21: . capitalists and communists are still arguing about
whether privatization of production is an evil,
yet they are both still making a mess,
and they both agree on the worst evil,
privatized reproduction(parenting):
it is the primary source of drug abuse, drug wars,
schizophrenia(mass rejection), and mass murder .]
. that realization
gave me this spin of the genesis story:
. god insists nothing should be private:
(genitals should remain in public view)
but after Adam's snake gave Eve
that first taste of fruiting
-- a harsh labor, and countless childhood emergencies --
they both decided it would be best if they
put all their troublesome differences out of sight .
. that, of course,
was the end of the first perfect garden .
. slavery is also a constant theme in the bible:
we have to put fig leaves between
the poor and the rich,
the mgt and labor,
your parenting style vs mine .
. the genesis author's god was right:
things should be specialized,
and things should not be private .
. secrets are not sure security,
but they are a sure source of power abuse .
. we should be able to inspect and have a say in
all things that can have an influence on us .
. I'm not saying that's an enforceable rule,
but it's where perfected technology is heading,
simply because that technology by definition
will make such per-module omniscience possible;
that is, it can enforce separate environments
and enable awareness of everything in
one's own environment .

I love the bus? not invented yet

12.17: pol/I love the bus? not invented yet:
. love the bus? after years of
multi-transfer commuting by bus,
I'd once decided that each employer
should be providing their own housing
just so we could avoid the frig'ing bus!
. I was later reminded by industrial accidents,
that there are good reasons
for not living near work!
. reviewing the issue, I finally found
a bus I could love:
. each employer does provide housing for each shift,
and also provides a private bus that links
an employer's home site with their work site;
with such direct routes,
the bus involves no waiting in unsecured places .
. busing works for shopping too,
when part of the gated community model:
your secure id card is the way to get on,
they charge you by debit;
so, there's no more being sardined with
unidentified terrorists or nutty criminals .
. there are direct bus lines between every mall,
and every gated community .
. people with behaviors lose their license to bus,
and must either use pedal cars,
or let relatives do the shopping .
. with the efficiency and safety of
the gated community model,
the usa's citizens could be on the path to
being competitive with chinese communism
while still retaining their std of living;
assuming that std doesn't continue to involve
gross denial of unhealthy lifestyles .
. buses that run clean green fuels,
could significantly reduce usa's exposure to
carcinogens in oil-based fuels;
but the greatest carcinogen in the usa by far
is their ignorance of hormone issues:
diets that raise insulin and cortisol,
and the use of female hormones to control birth .

peace prize to the voice with no body

12.12: pol/peace prize to the voice with no body:
. the peace prize went to the right person:
the voice with no body!
that voice this year has crystallized the message
that the world's christian's should unite
on an apology to the world's jews,
and reserve an israel-sized chunk of the new world
for a peaceful place where
jews alone are welcome to govern jews, forever .

12.10: co.apt/pol/chinese do deserve nobel peace prize:
. the nobel peace prize winner,
chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo, is a good american;
but in china where the system is not multi-party
he can only foment needless civil war;
and, one good reason for dictatorship
is long avoiding the centuries of civil war
that china has been subject to .
. the chinese leadership shows
true love for its people;
they are like the 2nd coming of christ
doing more for the war on poverty
than any other power on earth .
. they could have just exploited the energy
of an expanding population
to stay in power effortlessly,
but they so loved their people
that they risked their own position of power
by using it to force population controls
against a culture that is notoriously poor:
humans can have 14 girls in a row,
and the chinese traditionally keep having children
until they get at least one boy .
. this measure won't make leadership wealthier,
but in time it will bring wealth to all their subjects .
--
Liu Xiaobo launched Charter ’08,
the manifesto for democracy in China
which landed him an 11-year prison term .
the Norwegian Nobel Committee gave him the prize

purges throughout the ages

9.30:
. I had so much fun in wiki the past month
learning about the supercycles of history .
. it started with the wondering about the
people around the Great Wall of china .
. this lead me to Stalin,
and the wide world of
purgings throughout the ages!
. there I found I had so much to learn
about the pervasiveness of slavery,
the persecution of Jews and communalism .
. I've just started making a summary timeline
of these topics, and I include some here,
but the final project can be found at a knol:
purges throughout the ages:
supercycles of free parenting, free enterprise, and privacy rights .
summary:

. the world has been, and continues to be
an agonizing replay of unchecked growth,
invasions, enslavements, and mass murders;
empire after empire:
war, slavery, and property rights
have been our only birth control .

stopthebrainwash.com

3.18: pol/stopthebrainwash.com:

. when I heard this author (stopthebrainwash.com)
explain what was setting us back,
I didn't know he was talking about african slaves:
his description seemed to apply to everyone:
"(

. when we came to this country
[esp'ly for the industrial revolution]
we were stripped of our language, culture, family
-- everything !

)
. how many people can say they relate to
the european cultures of their forefathers?
all but the english lost their language too .
. we have nobody but the
boss and the state now;
and, of course,
the reason there's this ongoing
fight about getting too cozy
with the state (and welfare)
is that the boss in america
is typically not family
and has not one shred of loyalty .
. this would seem like a perfect reason for
mass imprisonment
but somehow the russian communists can match us .
(maybe it's the way
communism treats them like the homeless;
owning nothing but rights to a cot in a shelter?
-- nothing much to lose ... will often lose it;
then again,
they could be political activists
or unsharing types ) .

. stopthebrainwash.com has a guest who provided this link .

lessons from usa-brit independence revolution

11.10: pol/lessons from usa-brit independence revolution:

. I noticed how anti-communism is rooted in

the independence revolution .

. if your subjects could run away,

would they?

during the dawn of America,

britain should have pushed only for

what it really needed:

. the important thing in the european wars

over control of the new world

was that one superpower should not be able to

use america's vast wealth as a weapon against

another superpower .

. they could have achieved that

not by enslaving the colonists

but instead by insuring that no other euro'power

could enslave them either .

. the war on communism could be seen as having this stance:

[11.14:

. dictatorship is slavery,

and communism is the most alien dictatorship,

if we can root out the slavery of dictatorship,

forces of democracy will at least choose to

sacrifice themselves in a fight against

anything that is alien to our own democratic values . ]

communism and capitalism can complement each other

11.10: pol/communism and capitalism can complement each other:

. use plug-in architectures to both insure separation of power

-- a great american value --

and find the most efficient place for capitalists

within a communistic framework;

eg, finding and motivating employees

is always a cutting edge technology;

so make employment agencies a capitalistic module,

but make them open-book servants to

the separate branches of

directorship and quality assurance .

[11.14:

. the way this would differ critically from the current system

is that corporations have privacy rights like people do;

and under a communistic system,

there would be outsiders who both documented

who initiated the fresh productive ideas,

and also watched for

the rot that occurs in dark places . ]

prodigal parenting

9.10: relig/prodigal parenting:

. origin of "(prodigal):

Latin`prodigus: lavish .

Latin`prodigiosus; prodigium: portent (see prodigy ).

Latin`portentum: omen, token; portendere.verb (see portend ).

Latin`portendere; pro-: forth + tendere: stretch.

. the industrial parents both worked in a factory;

they wanted to earn all the things that factories can provide!

. what pay is there in parenting?

we want our pay now!

. thus, the industrials would let their children run wild,

having them watched by the ambitionless,

rather than engaged by the tutors .

. then when it came time for the children to watch the elders;

many of them just didn't get it .

. the prodigal parents came begging to society:

will you build more prisons for my feral children ?

. more institutions for my elders ?

. oh Lord, Jesus Christ,

nothing is more precious than these children .

. as part of the huge pork bar-b-q

to welcome back the industrial family,

they had a team of psychologists look into

what happened to the children:

. it wasn't just that they didn't want to work;

without a history of sociability and performance,

no one trusted them to work .

. those few who would hire them were wolves,

saying:

"(

. we don't have the money to do this job safely,

thank goodness, the industrials are expendable .

. every day our technologies are replacing more jobs,

and yet they keep having more ferals .

. there are so many of the poor, untrusted ones;

all we need is a few friends to work with .

. if only there were too few workers

the working conditions would certainly improve then:

it would be a worker's market then .

) .

. [12.21: ever since ? wars have always propped up economic systems:

[/][even with] industrial times,]

they used wars to prop up their economy:

"(

. there's just no work for the industrials;

but we do have a war [12.21: to win;

for the ferals are desperate,

and it's a good time to fight ... in mYour backyard .]

) .

8.8: co.apt/pol/jobs lost:

. imagine this is a thousand years ago;

you see we are such nothing,

struggling with service jobs, not sure of our fate .

. our forefathers' knowledge lost to

a trust that the industrials will employ us .

8.13: rn.pol/walmart revolution unsustainable:

. Walmart's revolution is considered unsustainable

because it relies too much on lowering wages

while many things needed by those earners

can't be sold by low cost walmart;

so their employees get cheated for the good of the others .

. their main money-saving was not stopping shoplifters,

but rather transforming the distribution system

by which goods are taken from various producers

and given to particular consumer outlets .

. many jobbers and other middlemen were eliminated .

8.19: co.apt/pol/what they mean by family values:

. look how the wars stopped chewing on the extra population;

now they check over-pop' by making laws about no car-camping, etc,

there's no place safe to go unless you have a submarine .

. if you don't have a sure job or a family to bunk with,

you're in big trouble .

10.9: pol/reasons for incarceration in usa and russia?:

. what russia and usa have in common in order to be

by far the largest incarcerators

is having a system that disrupts

local communities as law enforcers

by obviating the need for local support

either by having support doled out by the welfare state

or by the promise of new jobs around the corner .

co.apt/pol/platitudes for a delusional constituency:

. obama is sneered at for giving white-lie platitudes?

he has to give platitudes,

because his main constituency (the poor)

doesn't want to hear about being reasonable

(and letting the rich have the kids) .

. in fact, the poor -- to which is speaking mostly to --

have actually taken the nuclear option,

deciding to deliberately use over-population

to build their democratic power by brute numbers

(even if it means crying for virtual communism or abusing their kids) .

10.23: co.apt/pol/pop-controller should be saved wealth:

. co.pol/rn"neil.bortz

has berated an uneducated construction worker

for having 4 kids when money good

but job can't last in hard times?

. in fact, you shouldn't depend on education either!

. women should trust neither income nor edu'

but in savings:

find the older man who's done being a shark

with time to father ...

[12.29: at least if communal parenting is not an option .]

10.28: co.apt/pol/the good points among the economic classes:

. where I agree with the wealthy class

is that you can't have a welfare state

without also mandating a democratic control of reproduction

to put some limit on

how many people we need to find jobs or lunches for .

. however,

one pro-labor move I'd insist on

is keeping the wealthy from taking our jobs

-- and what liars:

Bush was regurgatating their blue pill:

"( greencarders take only those jobs

that americans don't want )

. actually the employers don't advertize those jobs

because they are already hooked up with greencarders

who cost them much less to employ by not being citizens

so that they pay no {unempl, ss, medicare } taxes

as they would for employing citizens .

11.7: pol/real economic growth:

. so much of a "(healthy growing economy) is just such fluff;

making so much junk is what causes

such shifts in buying patterns

as to cause upwards of 25% unemployment .

. if depending on capitalism

then market corrections are inevitably going to create

the same feast-famine cycles

we take as so much bible-old .

. what family values really need to be

is home class values:

. just as a successful business has a mix of products

for selling in both boom and bust,

home communes are based on farms

with back to farm for bad times .

. instead of owning your home,

you do have stock in a farm,

and if there are no vacancies in farmable communes,

you call that situation an overpopulation problem .

11.18: co.net/twitter/pol/UN Climate Petition:

#pol Sign the UN Climate Petition |

real hope is population reduction

http://hopenhagen.org

11.21: pol/making smooth transition to the age of automation:

. use gov funds to buy stock in labor saving tech

so even as jobs are being reduced,

incomes are being increased

and acting a 2nd source of income to fall back on

for those who lose jobs to robots .

. then, use taxes and bonuses of this money to reduce population;

ie, everyone gets a check for being a stock owner,

but people with more kids get a smaller check .

11.26: co.apt/pol/communes for traffic reduction:

. if we lived in communes like the tv.show" the walton's

-- seems unamerican doesn't it? --

then we could have groups conserve on driving

by specialize a few members as shared drivers

to reduce the need to give licenses to people on meds .

[and reduce traffic generally ] .

11.26: co.self/pol/overpopulation inflates rents:

. caring for the disabled and other unemployed's

would not be so costly if family values were stronger

such that it was taboo not to invite unemployed relative to share housing .

. we could then reduce pay-outs

to just a person's grocery needs (food stamps) .

. the $800 size typical of today's rents

is not due to the actual costs of maintaining the property

but a sheer function of market demand:

. capitalists are getting what they can from the market

asking not what it costs for me to be mgt,

but how much more can I get from the market after evicting you .

. that's why the soviet's major act was evicting landowners;

most were using their property to charge rent

for housing the state's people [and their productions]

[. likely a few rich owned all the land,

not like the american dream where the realty lots are so tiny

that one owner is mgt for one rental unit .]

12.30: pol/prodigal walmart:

. walmart is sustainable if they

let employees do dry docking in their parking lot

(as they are often graciously allowing rv'ing customers) .

. free rent like that

is removing half the inflation gouge in usa .

. walmart may still have a problem with forced overtime,

...

and they could have a problem with local authorities:

our idea of a living wage (if not a family wage)

does not include letting people camp in public! .